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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>http://www.alisoncummins.com/2009/02/12/messy/comment-page-1/#comment-1289</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are both messy, mostly it doesn&#039;t bother us. I think if we were more sociable and had people over, we&#039;d be less so but then we&#039;d find having people over to be distressing. It distresses the kitty cats too, one of which is very offended with strange voices wafting through the air.

There&#039;s a sig that a woman uses on a sewing forum that rather summarizes our household maintenance routine: &quot;Why make the beds and wash the dishes? Six months later you have to do it all over again&quot;.

My problem putting things away is that things will not tell me where they belong and I mostly do not know. They are rather like kitty cats in this respect (and people wonder why autistics objectify living things and vice versa). No matter how much you ask, kitty cats will not tell you their names, how they feel, where it hurts, or who broke that glass -even if they are not the ones who did it. They never rat out on each other. Therefore with my limited reasoning, objects, like kitty cats, will please themselves and place themselves within the natural order of things according to preference and logic of a self serving construct. 

As such, attempting to wrest order is rather like fighting gravity which is not coincidentally related to Newton&#039;s law of entropy. There, my housekeeping is solidly based on science and therefore logical and justified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are both messy, mostly it doesn&#8217;t bother us. I think if we were more sociable and had people over, we&#8217;d be less so but then we&#8217;d find having people over to be distressing. It distresses the kitty cats too, one of which is very offended with strange voices wafting through the air.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a sig that a woman uses on a sewing forum that rather summarizes our household maintenance routine: &#8220;Why make the beds and wash the dishes? Six months later you have to do it all over again&#8221;.</p>
<p>My problem putting things away is that things will not tell me where they belong and I mostly do not know. They are rather like kitty cats in this respect (and people wonder why autistics objectify living things and vice versa). No matter how much you ask, kitty cats will not tell you their names, how they feel, where it hurts, or who broke that glass -even if they are not the ones who did it. They never rat out on each other. Therefore with my limited reasoning, objects, like kitty cats, will please themselves and place themselves within the natural order of things according to preference and logic of a self serving construct. </p>
<p>As such, attempting to wrest order is rather like fighting gravity which is not coincidentally related to Newton&#8217;s law of entropy. There, my housekeeping is solidly based on science and therefore logical and justified.</p>
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		<title>By: Luc Séguin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luc Séguin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 22:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salut Alison,

Voilà une histoire qui te ressemble et que j&#039;ai eu du plaisir à lire.

A l&#039;époque où tu travaillais chez moi, j&#039;ai eu très souvent l&#039;occasion d&#039;observer ce côté de ta personnalité. On aurait dit que tu manquais de structure dans ta tête. Je me souviens aussi de ton côté &quot;computer&quot; qui te rendait excellente pour énumérer toutes les possibilités, jusqu&#039;aux plus subtiles, liées à une situation, mais inapte à évaluer qualitativement, à hiérarchiser chacune de ces possibilités.

C&#039;était il y a bien longtemps.

J&#039;aime beaucoup cette phrase : “now she would have to remember.” J&#039;ai pensé à l&#039;environnement, une idée fixe chez moi. Je me suis dit que la pollution n&#039;est en fait rien d&#039;autre que des mauvaises substances échappées, puis laissées là, aux mauvais endroits. À défaut de tout nettoyer, décontaminer, on dresse plutôt des registres de sites contaminés, afin de ne pas oublier où il ne faut pas mettre les pieds. Mais des fois, par coupable négligence, on &quot;oublie&quot; quand même, comme à Shannon.

Mais, pour revenir à toi, Alison, il me semble que la solution à ton problème est assez simple. Il te suffit d&#039;assigner à chaque objet un endroit de rangement précis et définitif. Faire le ménage devient alors une tâche simple, mécanique, où n&#039;intervient pas la subjectivité : remettre chaque chose à sa place.

Je plaisante. Pour vrai, si ton problème était si simple, je crois que cette solution, ou une autre, se serait imposée il y longtemps.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salut Alison,</p>
<p>Voilà une histoire qui te ressemble et que j&#8217;ai eu du plaisir à lire.</p>
<p>A l&#8217;époque où tu travaillais chez moi, j&#8217;ai eu très souvent l&#8217;occasion d&#8217;observer ce côté de ta personnalité. On aurait dit que tu manquais de structure dans ta tête. Je me souviens aussi de ton côté &#8220;computer&#8221; qui te rendait excellente pour énumérer toutes les possibilités, jusqu&#8217;aux plus subtiles, liées à une situation, mais inapte à évaluer qualitativement, à hiérarchiser chacune de ces possibilités.</p>
<p>C&#8217;était il y a bien longtemps.</p>
<p>J&#8217;aime beaucoup cette phrase : “now she would have to remember.” J&#8217;ai pensé à l&#8217;environnement, une idée fixe chez moi. Je me suis dit que la pollution n&#8217;est en fait rien d&#8217;autre que des mauvaises substances échappées, puis laissées là, aux mauvais endroits. À défaut de tout nettoyer, décontaminer, on dresse plutôt des registres de sites contaminés, afin de ne pas oublier où il ne faut pas mettre les pieds. Mais des fois, par coupable négligence, on &#8220;oublie&#8221; quand même, comme à Shannon.</p>
<p>Mais, pour revenir à toi, Alison, il me semble que la solution à ton problème est assez simple. Il te suffit d&#8217;assigner à chaque objet un endroit de rangement précis et définitif. Faire le ménage devient alors une tâche simple, mécanique, où n&#8217;intervient pas la subjectivité : remettre chaque chose à sa place.</p>
<p>Je plaisante. Pour vrai, si ton problème était si simple, je crois que cette solution, ou une autre, se serait imposée il y longtemps.</p>
<p>XX</p>
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		<title>By: Leanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I suspected from the email subject headings that I might have something to do with this, and there ya are! LOL! I ALSO said that I get you to have fun with my kid, and you are definitely fantastic at that, and much valued in that domain. So there! LOL! I have to say that I totally laughed out loud, very loud, several times reading this. And also, keep in mind that a lot of this, a very lot, can apply to me. Right now, &quot;clutter&quot; is part of my online name in several contexts. And yes, I love doing laundry (though not sure about the selflimiting part... I always am thinking: I should perhaps wash the covers on the sofa, and those dusty curtains with spider webs... and then when I take them down, there is the hem that is loose, and the stain that needs treating... 

I am definitely in on the &quot;easier if things have a place&quot;: it just takes a bit of time to pick up if it is just putting things back. It is another thing when the bookshelves are full, the clothing drawers are full, the file cabinets are full, the closets are full, and the wallspace is full so there is not the simple option of buying another bookshelf, file cabinet and cupboard. Then one knows that to tackle the pile on the table means reconsidering the past 20 years of collected books and files and clothing. agh. 

But really, I am totally with you on, it is often easier to find something if it is where you last used it, than if it is &quot;put away&quot;. ;D

Best of luck with the cross stomping! Valentines day is in two days. Make it worth his while!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I suspected from the email subject headings that I might have something to do with this, and there ya are! LOL! I ALSO said that I get you to have fun with my kid, and you are definitely fantastic at that, and much valued in that domain. So there! LOL! I have to say that I totally laughed out loud, very loud, several times reading this. And also, keep in mind that a lot of this, a very lot, can apply to me. Right now, &#8220;clutter&#8221; is part of my online name in several contexts. And yes, I love doing laundry (though not sure about the selflimiting part&#8230; I always am thinking: I should perhaps wash the covers on the sofa, and those dusty curtains with spider webs&#8230; and then when I take them down, there is the hem that is loose, and the stain that needs treating&#8230; </p>
<p>I am definitely in on the &#8220;easier if things have a place&#8221;: it just takes a bit of time to pick up if it is just putting things back. It is another thing when the bookshelves are full, the clothing drawers are full, the file cabinets are full, the closets are full, and the wallspace is full so there is not the simple option of buying another bookshelf, file cabinet and cupboard. Then one knows that to tackle the pile on the table means reconsidering the past 20 years of collected books and files and clothing. agh. </p>
<p>But really, I am totally with you on, it is often easier to find something if it is where you last used it, than if it is &#8220;put away&#8221;. ;D</p>
<p>Best of luck with the cross stomping! Valentines day is in two days. Make it worth his while!</p>
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